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Friday, August 17, 2007

7DP3DT - 12DP Trigger

Another day, another POAS. Still nothing.

Okay Thalia. I hear you. It's early to be testing, but really, it's not that early. That is, if the BetaBase's values are to be trusted. More on this entertaining line of thought in just a second.

The BetaBase asks women who've had successful pregnancies (success means a heart beat was detected) to enter in their beta values for the number of days past ovulation that they tested at. It further breaks down data for singleton and multiple pregnancies. The problem with this data is that unless you're doing a medicated cycle with a trigger, you can't know the "exact day" you ovulate. You can get pretty damned close with BBT and LH pee sticks, but it's not totally precise.

On the BetaBase, days past ovulation is considered to be equal to the day of egg retrieval. In an IVF retrieval, a patient injects HCG and has her eggs aspirated 36 hours later. At 38 to 40 hours the follicles would naturally erupt. Hence, chemically induced ovulation. So since I retrieved last Tuesday, today being Friday puts me at 10 days past ovulation, or retrieval as it would be in my case.

Now looking at the BetaBase, and realizing that the data may be dubious, the first entry is for day 10. Here, let me just recreate the table here:

Beta Scores for Successful* Single Pregnancies


Days Past Ovulation
Median HCG LevelLowest HCG Level ReportedHighest HCG Level ReportedNumber of women reporting a number for this day

1012310378
11272152332
12472208735
137745751248
14117320882039
15166320882499
16247527442703
17366545912749
18541762342643
197861661642479
20113141100002259
21163241162242005
22222358198611707
23316617225001497
244417144280001289
255791218369841084
26730829036924917
27919335141625762
281188642953812659
291468744073973551
3017461539131472467


The first line is where we're at today. The median HCG level for today is 12. Half of the women's data falls below 12 and the other half above 12. I'll agree that today's too early to be distraught. But yesterday after I'd posted about how white that pee stick looked, I went back and took a second look and it actually looked a bit better than the previous day's. I had hope for a few hours yesterday that today I'd see an even darker line. No such luck.

Here's the breakdown of HCG levels for today:

Day 10* -- 211 Single Pregnancies Recorded
Beta range (Number of Pregnancies in this range)
4 - 6 (11) <---I am here
6 - 10 (15) <---Or here
10 - 16 (30) <---Or here
16 - 26 (45) <---Or here. Anything else would test positive.
26 - 43 (53)
43 - 69 (31)
69 - 112 (13)
112 - 180 (6)
180 - 290 (4)
290 - 467 (0)
467 - 752 (2)
752 - 1210 (1)

Very interestingly...they say the "median beta" for day 10 is a value of 12. But looking at the data for day 10 you realize that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for 12 to be the median given the data. Their computations are simply incorrect. The beta median for today would be more along the lines of 26. So it's actually worse than I thought. Unless, of course, they're just serving up bad data all around. Possible. Entirely possible.

I'll keep retesting each morning as usual, as per Dr. B's recommendations. I'm sure I'll be quite mad by Tuesday.

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Blogger tonya said ... (8:46 PM) : 

Man oh man... what a huge quantity of data to sort through.

I can only speak from my experience, but I can say that my first beta with Tiny Boy was 15 at 12 DPO. DB's office told me it was an "inconclusive" result. We all know now that they sure were wrong about that.

I'm still hoping that you get that second line over the weekend!

 

Blogger Thalia said ... (1:17 AM) : 

hmm, yes, but there are only 211 data points in there, not exactly convincing, no? Plus the research that was done on miscarriage says that healthy pregnancies implant anywhere between day 5 and day 10. The bloomin embryo might only have implanted yesterday, give it a break, yes?

 

Blogger Knock Me Up said ... (2:54 PM) : 

Mad by Tuesday? -- I'm mad everyday with this IF crapola. I'm sorry there isn't a stinking second line blinding you. I think the beta base may be off. I find that if there is any question of one part of the data then the whole thing can't be trusted. GIGO and all! Hang on until Tuesday.

 

Blogger tonya said ... (8:20 PM) : 

Thinking of you today.

 

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Ultrasound of a 9 week old fetus

Diagnosis:
elevated NKs, NKUs, 3 +APAs (2 borderline), heterozygous for MTHFR A1298C. Slightly low thyroid.

dq-α:
me: 1.1, 4.1
dh: 1.2, 3.1

Low LADs were treated in Mexico and elsewhere with LIT.
Anti-sperm antibodies
Article: LIT and the FDA

No: ANAs, normal TH1/TH2 Cytokine ratio, or x-DNA/Histones.

IF Treatments:
-Clomid #1: Sept 2005
-Clomid #2: Sept 2005
-HSG: Oct 2005
-Lap/Chromo: Oct 2005
-Nat'l IUI: Nov 2005
-IVF #1: Jan 2006, β1=2.0, β2=0.9
-IVF #2: May 2006, β1=<1.0
-Myomectomy (5), salpingectomy (both), & endo removed via lap on 6.6.6
-LIT#1 in Nogales: 6.16.6
-LIT#2: July 2006
-FET #1: Sept 2006, β1=2.48, β2=<2.0
-Dr. Hungarian Dx Oct 2006
-Dr. Hungarian Tx Dec 2006-Mar 2007
-IVF#3: Mar 2007 Canceled myself right before retrieval
-IVF#4: April/May 2007 Canceled due to dominant follicle
-IVF#4: August 2007, β1<2.0
-IVF#5: December 2007

Pre-ET
Feng Shui'd the House
500mg Zithromax starting with stims
4 LIT Treatments
17 Weeks of Humira or Enbrel
30g IVIg CD5 of IVF cycle (day 2 or 3 of stims)
30g IVIg 2 days before transfer
1mg Dexamethazone starting with stims
30mg Lovenox, 2X's/Day
0.0375mg Synthroid
Lexapro
Prenatal
Folguard 2.2 2x's/day
Extra 1g C (Stop at ET)
Extra 1g Calcium
Extra 400mg E (Stop at ET)
Nettle Tea & Capsules
2g Bromelain
Extra D3
Keep BMI<24
4-6g Fish Oil/Day
Baby Aspirin
Eating Loads of Protein!
Nettle Caplets
Femoral Massage (Stop at ET)
Acupuncture (Stop at ET)
TCM Diet: No cold or slippery foods
Immune Friendly Diet: No non-sprouted wheat, sugar, starches. Little fruit.
No nightshades
No caffeine
No coffee, not even decaf
No soy when in cycle
10 days Doxycycline

Day of Transfer
Light activity

Post ET Changes
Visualization
200mg progesterone capsules
Take it easy days 2&3
No sex til beta#1
Cut out egg yolks (contains immunogenic acid)






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